HankyStanky Only married news team in the tri-county area Joined: Jul 10, 2005 Posts: 9125 Threads: 106
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:19 am Post subject: Episode 6.04 - "The Substitute"
Accidentally found out today who this episode is about. Douchebags on LOST news sites should be more careful about spoilers in their comments on things.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject:
I can see that there's a lot of excitement for this episode.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:12 pm Post subject:
Whos episode is it'?
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:26 pm Post subject:
Pudie wrote:
Whos episode is it'?
Spoiler:
I believe it to be John Locke's... if that's the case, then this season will be, so far, following the pattern of season 1, which after the pilot had a Kate episode, then Locke, then Jack, then Sun, then Charlie, then Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, Boone, Michael and Walt, Jin, and Hurley. Yeah, I did that from memory. If the next episode belongs to Jack, I'll be pretty sure that they're going to at least somewhat follow the season 1 order.
Excluding all those dead characters, that would leave Kate, Locke, Jack, Sun (and probably Jin along with her), Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, and Hurley to have character-centric episodes. That leaves five more hours, which will probably be devoted to Ben, Richard, Ilana, probably Desmond, and maybe either Frank or Miles.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject:
I don't know whose episode this is yet. I'll try to keep it that way. Unfortunately, I will miss the episode during its regular time. I am going to try to watch it later that night, but it will be 1-2am if I do.
I'm looking forward to it. Apparently some people saw the first 9 or so episodes already and rated them on a scale of 1-10. Last week's episode was rated the worst, by average, and this one was rated just above the premiere.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject:
CharlesNelsonReillyForTheBlock wrote:
Pudie wrote:
Whos episode is it'?
Spoiler:
I believe it to be John Locke's... if that's the case, then this season will be, so far, following the pattern of season 1, which after the pilot had a Kate episode, then Locke, then Jack, then Sun, then Charlie, then Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, Boone, Michael and Walt, Jin, and Hurley. Yeah, I did that from memory. If the next episode belongs to Jack, I'll be pretty sure that they're going to at least somewhat follow the season 1 order.
Excluding all those dead characters, that would leave Kate, Locke, Jack, Sun (and probably Jin along with her), Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, and Hurley to have character-centric episodes. That leaves five more hours, which will probably be devoted to Ben, Richard, Ilana, probably Desmond, and maybe either Frank or Miles.
Spoiler:
Awesome! I love Locke episodes!
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:19 am Post subject:
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:37 am Post subject:
CharlesNelsonReillyForTheBlock wrote:
Pudie wrote:
Whos episode is it'?
Spoiler:
I believe it to be John Locke's... if that's the case, then this season will be, so far, following the pattern of season 1, which after the pilot had a Kate episode, then Locke, then Jack, then Sun, then Charlie, then Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, Boone, Michael and Walt, Jin, and Hurley. Yeah, I did that from memory. If the next episode belongs to Jack, I'll be pretty sure that they're going to at least somewhat follow the season 1 order.
Excluding all those dead characters, that would leave Kate, Locke, Jack, Sun (and probably Jin along with her), Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, and Hurley to have character-centric episodes. That leaves five more hours, which will probably be devoted to Ben, Richard, Ilana, probably Desmond, and maybe either Frank or Miles.
Spoiler:
It only briefly follows the centricity pattern of season 1. Just like I mentioned in the previous episode thread, episode 6 Sundown really is a Sayid episode, and not the Sun episode like everyone assumed.
CharlesNelsonReillyForTheBlock wrote:
I'm looking forward to it. Apparently some people saw the first 9 or so episodes already and rated them on a scale of 1-10. Last week's episode was rated the worst, by average, and this one was rated just above the premiere.
I don't think the sources saw whole episodes, just the scripts, though that ranking still sounds fairly accurate. And I didn't hate What Kate Does, so if that's the worst this season has to offer then I'm not at all worried.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject:
Oh shit. I wonder what exactly that cave means.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject:
Not sure I really believe fake Locke, but the man is convincing. But I dont think Sawyer really does either.
hmmm....very intriguing episode, with plenty of twists in the alternate universe with familiar faces. i'm looking forward to people's thoughts on it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject:
Is it just me, or is Locke's life not a bad life either? He got Helen back somehow, after losing her, and was planning on getting married. Maybe I'm just a romantic, but why fight to stay on the island when your love is at home?
That cave bit blew my mind. Did you guys catch the "numbers" before each person's name? I'm still hoping to find out what the numbers mean.
yeah the cave part is definitely gonna be the watercooler conversation.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject:
Jennigirl wrote:
Is it just me, or is Locke's life not a bad life either? He got Helen back somehow, after losing her, and was planning on getting married. Maybe I'm just a romantic, but why fight to stay on the island when your love is at home?
That cave bit blew my mind. Did you guys catch the "numbers" before each person's name? I'm still hoping to find out what the numbers mean.
He was going to invite his dad to the wedding. Which dad? The one who threw him out the window? Was he paralyzed in some other fashion in the ALT (alternate timeline)?
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject:
Good episode! I was very surprised that Kate was not one of the six potential leaders of the island. It's likely that she'll probably be designated an adviser, in a roll similar to Richard's.
Locke's moment with Helen near the end of the episode was very poignant and paralleled clearly with the current state of Sawyer (and maybe even Flocke) on the island--both are broken men, devoid of faith and hope. At least Locke had Helen there to comfort him and change his mind.
After the past two episodes, I can see that each character episode's plot is not going to end decisively in the sideflashes like the flashbacks and flashforwards did, but that the intermingling of characters in this alternate reality is going to lead to a much more unified plot that will probably lead to them realizing that they're in a parallel universe and addressing that problem some way. I've given in to that.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject:
Jennigirl wrote:
Did you guys catch the "numbers" before each person's name? I'm still hoping to find out what the numbers mean.
I think you just found out what they mean. I recall reading a few years ago that Darlton and Cuse admitted in an interview that they didn't know what the numbers meant, they just made them up and hadn't assigned a reason for those particular numbers. "Locke's" explanation was I think the best we are going to get. Jacob chose each of them, assigned them random numbers cause apparently, Jacob likes numbers, and that's that. I'm actually okay with this.
Very interesting ending, I loved the exposition scene. Like Pudie, I'm not sure I believe everything he said, but it was satisfying nonetheless.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:37 pm Post subject:
The cave scene at the end was cool. Lots of names crossed off. Why? Dead? Failed but still on island?
James has three choices, but does he really know the consequence of each choice? If not then how can these really be informed choices? Choice seems to be a key to the whole LOST mystery doesn't it?
The boy, who to me resembles Jacob, says that MIB (man in black/fake Locke) can't kill him, so it seems he's trying to trick James into killing himself, through uninformed choices. It's all pretty confusing to me.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject:
Jennigirl wrote:
Is it just me, or is Locke's life not a bad life either? He got Helen back somehow, after losing her, and was planning on getting married. Maybe I'm just a romantic, but why fight to stay on the island when your love is at home?
No no no no! In this alternate reality, it's clear that the explosion changed a wide range of things immediately afterwards, not just having the plane not crash. Therefore, I think it's safe to assume that in the "real" reality Helen never came back to Locke. In the alternate (or parallel, as DamCar insists) reality, Helen never left Locke. I'm guessing that his father also never pushed him out of the window, and that his paralysis was caused by something else. He may even be on good terms with poppy Cooper.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject:
MIB is a lying snake in the grass. Can't believe anything he says.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject:
amberlita wrote:
Jennigirl wrote:
Did you guys catch the "numbers" before each person's name? I'm still hoping to find out what the numbers mean.
I think you just found out what they mean. I recall reading a few years ago that Darlton and Cuse admitted in an interview that they didn't know what the numbers meant, they just made them up and hadn't assigned a reason for those particular numbers. "Locke's" explanation was I think the best we are going to get. Jacob chose each of them, assigned them random numbers cause apparently, Jacob likes numbers, and that's that. I'm actually okay with this.
Exactly. I'm not sure how much further anyone could expect them to explain it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject:
True wrote:
MIB is a lying snake in the grass. Can't believe anything he says.
Oh, yes, of course. MIB is a lying sack of shit. There's no doubt in my mind that he's evil.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject:
I'm worried MIB is going to turn Sawyer into a murderer. Perhaps MIB's way of gettign off the island (which appears to be his primary goal for himself and nobody else) is, for whatever reason, to kill everyone who was sent there to protect it, everyone on Jacob's list. The kid, whoever the hell he was, explains he can't kill them and so MIB is going to get Sawyer to do it instead. He knew he was the most emotionally vulnerable.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:15 pm Post subject:
amberlita wrote:
I'm worried MIB is going to turn Sawyer into a murderer. Perhaps MIB's way of gettign off the island (which appears to be his primary goal for himself and nobody else) is, for whatever reason, to kill everyone who was sent there to protect it, everyone on Jacob's list. The kid, whoever the hell he was, explains he can't kill them and so MIB is going to get Sawyer to do it instead. He knew he was the most emotionally vulnerable.
That's a very good theory, but I also got the vibe that MIB was going to try to kill Sawyer. I thought the kid said to Flocke (fake Locke, for those of you who aren't nerds) that he couldn't kill Sawyer, as if he knew that that's what he was planning, and Flocke vehemently responded "DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!"
i really think the kid is Jacob, reincarnated or something....resurrected.
i don't think that Jacob is really dead that easily.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject:
CharlesNelsonReillyForTheBlock wrote:
amberlita wrote:
I'm worried MIB is going to turn Sawyer into a murderer. Perhaps MIB's way of gettign off the island (which appears to be his primary goal for himself and nobody else) is, for whatever reason, to kill everyone who was sent there to protect it, everyone on Jacob's list. The kid, whoever the hell he was, explains he can't kill them and so MIB is going to get Sawyer to do it instead. He knew he was the most emotionally vulnerable.
That's a very good theory, but I also got the vibe that MIB was going to try to kill Sawyer. I thought the kid said to Flocke (fake Locke, for those of you who aren't nerds) that he couldn't kill Sawyer, as if he knew that that's what he was planning, and Flocke vehemently responded "DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!"
Yeah but that's part of my point. At the start he was going to try to kill Sawyer because everyone on Jacob's list needs to die for him to get off the Island. But whoever that kid is and his "rules", MIB realized he wasn't allowed to kill any of them himself. So he changes his gameplan adn rather than killing Sawyer, he's recruiting him to do his dirty work for him. Possibly convince him that the only way for Sawyer to get off the Island is to kill Jack and Co. How he would deal with Sawyer in the end, I dunno.
Of course, now that I'm fleshing out this theory beyond a single post, it will undoubtably turn out to be false. I suck at speculation.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject:
amberlita wrote:
Yeah but that's part of my point. At the start he was going to try to kill Sawyer because everyone on Jacob's list needs to die for him to get off the Island. But whoever that kid is and his "rules", MIB realized he wasn't allowed to kill any of them himself. So he changes his gameplan adn rather than killing Sawyer, he's recruiting him to do his dirty work for him. Possibly convince him that the only way for Sawyer to get off the Island is to kill Jack and Co. How he would deal with Sawyer in the end, I dunno.
Of course, now that I'm fleshing out this theory beyond a single post, it will undoubtably turn out to be false. I suck at speculation.
No, this is a very solid theory, and I'll subscribe to it. Even if it turns out to be false, it's still some very logical speculation given the information that we have at this time.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:45 pm Post subject:
Awesome, awesome episode. Random thoughts:
-The return of the white and black rocks. "It's an inside joke."
-Nitpicking but, did we really need Sawyer dangling from the ladder with dramatic music playing? Come on writers, what a tired concept.
-The cave is going to be huge fodder. I think James is about to go into some extremely dark territory (even for him).
-Sawyer the new man in black, Jack the new Jacob...? (Assuming Locke stays dead)
