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Primogeniture
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Perhaps there are 360 candidates, one for each degree on the lighthouse dial. And we are down to possibly six now? If anyone does actually replace Jacob, I'd wager on three of the candidates now. Anyone whose name isn't attached to one of the numbers, I would assume won't become the new Jacob. That leaves 7 possibilities. Locke is dead and Sayid is claimed. Five possibilities. I doubt Jin or Sun will get the nod. Relatively minor characters in the grand scheme. That leaves: Sawyer, Hurley, and Jack. Jack has to be the most likely replacement. Hurley being second.
Funny that Frank isn't a candidate, since we were first introduced to the term when Bram inquired to Illana if she thought Frank might be one.
I'm jealous of anyone whose name is on the list.
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Primogeniture
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I also want to know more about the Others and who knew what.
Richard is the only person we know who met with Jacob. And he seemed to do so on a regular basis. Jacob caused him to not age and he has been on the Island for a very long time and in a leadership position for at least 50 years. In the 50s he appeared to be head of an Other camp that included young Widmore and Eloise. He was also head of a camp of Others on the beach following Locke's disappearance. Does he fill in as leader during the absence of a designated Leader of the Others? He operates as Jacob's messenger and an advisor to the Leader. But he had no idea what a "candidate" was. Or acted like he didn't. Had some idea of who the MiB was.
Ben seems to know nothing about the end game. He had never met Jacob. Was Leader of the Others for a decade or two. Could summon the smoke monster but had no idea who or what it really was. Got on Richard's bad side for spending too much time on the pregnancy issue. Richard wanted him replaced, with Jacob's consent?
Dogen is in charge of the Temple. Does he take orders from Richard or the Leader? He seemed to know what a candidate was. Expected Jacob to arrive at the Temple after Hurley arrived with the note. Had he met Jacob before? He seems to have some knowledge of the smoke monster.
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| mobsters wrote: | I wonder how many of these names are names of people who work on the show.  |
Usually it's the writer's names that appears as easter eggs, but I didn't notice any familier names.
| Primogeniture wrote: | Indeed. I would have gone nuts if my surname had ended up on the list. That would have been an awesome coincidence. No one here is a candidate are they?  |
My mother's surname is 19 (NGUYEN). Which as usual means nothing
| Primogeniture wrote: | | That leaves: Sawyer, Hurley, and Jack. Jack has to be the most likely replacement. Hurley being second. |
I think they writers will go the obvious route and make Jack the Next Top Jacob, even though it sounds like a crummy job, and way worse for a guy who resents being made the leader by default.
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Primogeniture
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| quangtran wrote: | | I think they writers will go the obvious route and make Jack the Next Top Jacob, even though it sounds like a crummy job, and way worse for a guy who resents being made the leader by default. |
Yeah, the only thing I see going against it is its obviousness. But Jack just seems like the guy. And while we may get more from Jacob on other candidates in coming episodes, I get the feeling that Jacob thinks he's the guy too. More than anyone else on the show, we've been lead to believe that Jack has a reason for being on that Island, a reason for being so important, and becoming the new protector of the Island would certainly satisfy his character arc.
That's to assume that the show really will end with the game continuing. I'm not convinced that it will. We have yet to get Jacob's side of the story and that will probably be what convinces us (and the characters) whether or not the cycle is worth maintaining. But either way, if Lost has a single climatic moment, it seems that it will be Jack either becoming the "new Jacob" or forever ending the game that's been going on for so many centuries.
Again, obviousness. I doubt at episode 5 we can clearly see what the endgame will be. We are getting clues, but I won't be assuming I have any idea of what can or will happen once the final episode arrives.
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i kinda get the feeling that Ben is on the sidelines now, which saddens me.
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Reactions to the episode (I'm sure at this point I'm just mirroring what everyone else is saying, but that's fine with me):
*Funny that island Jack remarks that he wouldn't be a good father, when in the alternative time line his kid and him are having issues.
*Loved Hurely's Obi Wan comment, followed up by his explanation of the dead skeletons in the caves. Plus of course him talking about how Jack and him going through the jungle is like "Old times." Season 1 was all about running through the jungle, heh.
*Okay, so there's a lighthouse on the other side of the island that was there all along. I don't know if I like that, as it feels too random and you think at some point someone would have noticed it. But hey I roll with most of the things that happen on this show regardless, so I'll let it slide.
*Hurely being choosen as a candidate is quite interesting. I have no idea what it means, although I'm sure the rest of you have possibly figured that out.
*Once more with the concidences, which have to mean something-in that Cool Asian Leader Guy (I don't remember his name, or if they even said it) running into Jack in the non-island timeline.
*108 degrees, + the number 23=the numbers have to be important. Why else mention them again in this season? Not sure what their true significance is, however.
*Gotta love Jack going apeshit on the mirrors. At this point I think he's supposed to be the audience, who wants answers. Which makes me more like Hurely, in that I'm just going along and seeing what might happen in the end. Or not, as Jacob illustrates. I really donno.
*I completely forgot that Jack's dad told him that he didn't have what it takes. Man that was such a long time ago-White Rabbit was truly a fantastic episode.
*Ah yes, Claire is now like Rossau. Plus, she drives an ax into that one guy-damn. Maybe she ends up killing Kate? I don't think its wise for Jin to lie to her. PS: Okay, she stated she would kill Kate. Somewhere Primo is celebrating this idea 
*Love, love the moment between David and Jack. This show is all about daddy issues, it seems.
*JINNNNNN!!!!!! Oh shit, son. I should have known when Claire said she had a friend, it wasn't Jacob. It was Evil Fake Locke.
Primo I think that in the end, the show's creators and writers will decide to have Jack end the cycle. Maybe that's why the island ends up underwater. Also, this episode was flat out great-only one Jack episode has ever sucked. That's an excellent track record.
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I'm not sure if I or anyone else has mentioned this yet, but the boar skull and whatever the hell else was in that crib was probably the most unsettling thing I've ever seen on the show.
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It was pretty creepy, Hanky. And I think it speaks to the fact that Claire has gone batshit crazy. I like that she still has the crib Locke made for her back in Season 1, and its also eerie that she knows that it isn't Locke at all now, but instead the MIB. Jin looked really worried at the end of the episode.
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I don't think it was the same crib, because in the finale last season, when Locke and his flock came across their former camp on their way to the foot, the crib was still there. I guess it's possible that Claire went and got the crib in the day between that episode and this one, but I doubt it.
I'm not sure why I'm trying to start a debate about something so trivial. 
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Primogeniture
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| CharlesNelsonReillyForTheBlock wrote: | | I'm not sure if I or anyone else has mentioned this yet, but the boar skull and whatever the hell else was in that crib was probably the most unsettling thing I've ever seen on the show. |
Heck yes. That was creepy. Kept meaning to mention it here because somehow we made it a week without anyone saying a word about it.
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| MadMan_731 wrote: |
*Okay, so there's a lighthouse on the other side of the island that was there all along. I don't know if I like that, as it feels too random and you think at some point someone would have noticed it. But hey I roll with most of the things that happen on this show regardless, so I'll let it slide. |
Stuff like this doesn't bother me because they obviously threw out realistic island geography around the second season. And Hurley's comment about why they hadn't seen it before kind of blunted any criticism I could have had. Either we are supposed to wonder why they never saw it before, or the writers are admitting that it is odd that it never appeared before. Or the Lighthouse is kind of like the cabin and can move around the Island or disappear and reappear.
| Quote: | | *Once more with the concidences, which have to mean something-in that Cool Asian Leader Guy (I don't remember his name, or if they even said it) running into Jack in the non-island timeline. |
His name is "Dogen." Can't remember if they've used it in the show yet, but it has been confirmed online.
| Quote: | | *Gotta love Jack going apeshit on the mirrors. At this point I think he's supposed to be the audience, who wants answers. Which makes me more like Hurely, in that I'm just going along and seeing what might happen in the end. Or not, as Jacob illustrates. I really donno. |
Indeed. I think Jack's insistence on answers closely parallels the audience's.
| Quote: | | *Ah yes, Claire is now like Rossau. Plus, she drives an ax into that one guy-damn. Maybe she ends up killing Kate? I don't think its wise for Jin to lie to her. PS: Okay, she stated she would kill Kate. Somewhere Primo is celebrating this idea |
No comment.
| Quote: | | Primo I think that in the end, the show's creators and writers will decide to have Jack end the cycle. Maybe that's why the island ends up underwater. Also, this episode was flat out great-only one Jack episode has ever sucked. That's an excellent track record. |
I almost think the same, if only because it's way less obvious (though not unpredictable) than Jack being the new protector of the Island. And agreed on Jack episodes. Jack has an excellent episode track record, especially since he has more episodes than anyone else.
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Watching this episode again right now, I just really love Mark Pellegrino's Jacob. This was a real make or break role to cast, and he's just been terrific since his first scene.
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| slqrick wrote: | | Watching this episode again right now, I just really love Mark Pellegrino's Jacob. This was a real make or break role to cast, and he's just been terrific since his first scene. |
Yes, he's great. The show would have been in dire straits if that casting had not gone perfectly.
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| Primogeniture wrote: | | Stuff like this doesn't bother me because they obviously threw out realistic island geography around the second season. And Hurley's comment about why they hadn't seen it before kind of blunted any criticism I could have had. Either we are supposed to wonder why they never saw it before, or the writers are admitting that it is odd that it never appeared before. Or the Lighthouse is kind of like the cabin and can move around the Island or disappear and reappear. |
Okay, that I can accept. Plus aside from Sayid, Jin, and Sun (plus Desmond previously) sailing around much of the island, no one else had made through all of the island, and all around the island, anyways. Hurley's likable, so that makes up for many failings, heh.
| Quote: | | His name is "Dogen." Can't remember if they've used it in the show yet, but it has been confirmed online. |
Oh, I see. I don't recall ever hearing his name being said.
| Quote: | | Indeed. I think Jack's insistence on answers closely parallels the audience's. |
Which is awesome, really. The writers must be really reading online comments. I'd love it if they were reading ours 
| Quote: | | No comment. |
You can't fool me 
| Quote: | | I almost think the same, if only because it's way less obvious (though not unpredictable) than Jack being the new protector of the Island. And agreed on Jack episodes. Jack has an excellent episode track record, especially since he has more episodes than anyone else. |
The tattoo episode sucked, but that wasn't Jack's fault. White Rabbit might be my favorite one of his-I'd have to go back through and look. The more I think about it though, the more I realize that Sawyer won't end up being the new MIB. It just doesn't seem like he'll go along with the program in the end. Maybe it'll be Sayid? Who knows? We'll find out sooner or later.
Jacob, dead, or alive, rocks as a later seasons addition to the show. The only problem with the show ending sooner is that he won't be given more time on the show. Dead people popping up seems to happen a lot on Lost.
And Hanky, I really have no idea about the crib. It could be either one or the other, really.
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