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Supernatural twitter fans got us in the news today by tweeting (?) the tag #luciferiscoming into the top trending spot and alarming the unaware.  (I'm not really sure if what I just said makes sense.)
I am sooooooo ready for tonight's premiere!! Remarkably, I've been able to stay away from any spoilers for tonight.
(I was going to swipe the cap Rick used in his write-up for Lucifer Rising, but HE apparently didn't feel the need to grab an image highlighting the brother-clutching as the end nears.  )
What will the new season's title card look like? Will we get worthy music? Are they picking up the story right where they left off in the convent? So much to anticipate.....
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useful links: slqrick's SPN viewing thread (our most recent show conversations are tucked in here) | Season 4 SPN thread | Seasons 1-3 SPN thread
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I'm ready...just in time!!
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That looks amazing.
So do we know if this is the last season or not? Because I don't see how (or why) you would follow up a story to the freakin' Apocalypse.
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The Apocalypse thus far is decidedly non-Apocalyptic
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It was interesting to see Zachariah and Lucifer's differing ways on convincing each vessel.
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If Bobby truly does become paralysed, that'll make for an interesting dynamic.
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| slqrick wrote: | That looks amazing.
So do we know if this is the last season or not? Because I don't see how (or why) you would follow up a story to the freakin' Apocalypse. |
Kripke initially planned only for 5 seasons, though has mentioned wanting to continue for a sixth season if they got the green light. I don't know how I feel about that. On one hand I'd like to see another season, but on another, I'd rather have it end on a high note, and not drag the show on if they can end it at season 5.
| amberlita wrote: | | The Apocalypse thus far is decidedly non-Apocalyptic |
They have to slowly build up to it. They did hint at natural disasters occurring in places.
| The poster with no name wrote: | | It was interesting to see Zachariah and Lucifer's differing ways on convincing each vessel. |
Yeah. Lucifer is a softy. If anyone didn't know, Lucifer's vessel was also Jacob from Lost.
I like that they brought back Meg.
A few good lines in the episode, the one that made me laugh most was Dean's angel condom remark.
The episode ended sadly, but I do hope Sam manages to redeem himself. I like that the superfan was really into Sam rather than Dean, as an inverse of the more common Dean worship amongst Supernatural fans.
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| The poster with no name wrote: | | It was interesting to see Zachariah and Lucifer's differing ways on convincing each vessel. |
Yeah. Lucifer is a softy. If anyone didn't know, Lucifer's vessel was also Jacob from Lost.
I like that they brought back Meg.
A few good lines in the episode, the one that made me laugh most was Dean's angel condom remark.
The episode ended sadly, but I do hope Sam manages to redeem himself. I like that the superfan was really into Sam rather than Dean, as an inverse of the more common Dean worship amongst Supernatural fans. |
Yeah, the guy is getting stereotyped as an all powerful figure, which, not bad 
"Can you quit touching me?"
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Welcome back, Supernatural!
I'm rewatching. Even though I knew better, I still hoped for some of the magic S4's opener had.
Sam looked about 8 years old ago when he was confessing/apologizing to (not)Bobby. I knew there was something wrong with Bobby, but the demon reveal still got to me. Then Bobby pulls a John and doesn't let the demon have Dean.  How very Dean of Bobby to stab himself.
Thank goodness Bobby isn't giving up on Sam, because Dean about broke my heart more than once. I'm not feeling hopeful. I was smiling with Sam and bought Dean's plan at Bobby's bedside to take on both angels and demons. "What if we win?" becoming "We don't stand a snowball's chance" is so sad. (I'll focus on that so I don't have to think about the depth of Dean's disappointment in Sam.)
Oh, and I really liked the Meg actress. She gave us one of the MANY dreaming references talking about the demons finally being able to dream and sounding a lot like Jeremy from Dream a Little Dream of Me. Lucifer made a point of the idea that dreaming still is real, too.
| Our Dean wrote: | | It was interesting to see Zachariah and Lucifer's differing ways on convincing each vessel. |
How creepy was the blood pouring from that crib? 
Castiel hasn't been this cool since he made that walking entrance in that barn. I loved him called the boys "boys" - hee!! On the other hand the SamSuperFan seemed out of place
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Very creepy. If Lucifer can manipulate people like that, frankly, that's much more scary than anything the angels have done to date.
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| Mis wrote: | | I like that the superfan was really into Sam rather than Dean, as an inverse of the more common Dean worship amongst Supernatural fans. |
I thought of her as the inverse of Anna and her initial "THE Dean?" I like Sam having a fan who isn't a demon, that's for sure! I guess I hoped the world of fandom we got to see in Monster at the End of This Book wouldn't spread into the routine reality of the show. Does that make sense? The touchy stuff sure had me thinking of the older woman Gert(?) from Red Sky too. (For that matter, Chuck had me thinking of Andy all over again.)
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I really wanna know what God is thinking right now.
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| amberlita wrote: | | I really wanna know what God is thinking right now. |
Was GOD Castiel's implication for explaining how the boys got to the airplane and how Castiel returned after death?
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I wonder if there's any significance to the fact that the cartoon clip showed the devil talking ot Yosemite Sam. Does it mean Lucifer will run into Sammy first?
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| rmkblair wrote: | | amberlita wrote: | | I really wanna know what God is thinking right now. |
Was GOD Castiel's implication for explaining how the boys got to the airplane and how Castiel returned after death? |
I got that impression too.
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| rmkblair wrote: | | Mis wrote: | | I like that the superfan was really into Sam rather than Dean, as an inverse of the more common Dean worship amongst Supernatural fans. |
I thought of her as the inverse of Anna and her initial "THE Dean?" I like Sam having a fan who isn't a demon, that's for sure! I guess I hoped the world of fandom we got to see in Monster at the End of This Book wouldn't spread into the routine reality of the show. Does that make sense? The touchy stuff sure had me thinking of the older woman Gert(?) from Red Sky too. (For that matter, Chuck had me thinking of Andy all over again.) |
It did seem out of place, but I like that they didn't abandon the fandom aspect entirely, because it's just fun when they go into it.
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That's a good observation. It didn't occur to me why they showed that Looney Tunes clip.
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| The poster with no name wrote: | | rmkblair wrote: | | amberlita wrote: | | I really wanna know what God is thinking right now. |
Was GOD Castiel's implication for explaining how the boys got to the airplane and how Castiel returned after death? |
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Same. I just want to know what his gameplan is in all of this. In the big picture it appears all the demons were working together to get to this point but I don't believe we've ever gotten the impression that any particular angel is truly carrying out God's orders since they all appear to go rogue at some point. It seemed possible at the end of last season that Zachariah was doing God's (unexpectedly harsh) bidding by allowing the Apocalypse to come about and then we have the implication that Castiel came to stop him this episode. So, what exactly does the Big Man Upstairs really want here? Either he's remarkably inconsistent in his orders, or he doesn't have very good control over his army.
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I thought it might be reminding us that Sam's been listening to a demon for the past year, but yeah, your idea makes sense....
"What the devil is your name?"
"Yosemite Sam."
[Devil checks list of expected arrivals] "Ah, yes...."
I think I'm going to like the blood spread title card.
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| rmkblair wrote: | I thought it might be reminding us that Sam's been listening to a demon for the past year, but yeah, your idea makes sense....
"What the devil is your name?"
"Yosemite Sam."
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Even more importantly is what the Devil in that cartoon said right after "Ah, yes....." He says, "....I can use a guy like you...."
Either it's a reference to what Sam's done or what he will do. Perhaps we are building to a mutual meat-suit-off between the boys with Dean as Michael's vessel and Sam as Lucifer's.
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| amberlita wrote: | | The poster with no name wrote: | | rmkblair wrote: | | amberlita wrote: | | I really wanna know what God is thinking right now. |
Was GOD Castiel's implication for explaining how the boys got to the airplane and how Castiel returned after death? |
I got that impression too. |
Same. I just want to know what his gameplan is in all of this. In the big picture it appears all the demons were working together to get to this point but I don't believe we've ever gotten the impression that any particular angel is truly carrying out God's orders since they all appear to go rogue at some point. It seemed possible at the end of last season that Zachariah was doing God's (unexpectedly harsh) bidding by allowing the Apocalypse to come about and then we have the implication that Castiel came to stop him this episode. So, what exactly does the Big Man Upstairs really want here? Either he's remarkably inconsistent in his orders, or he doesn't have very good control over his army. |
I got the sense that God didn't really know what was going on last season (Zach previously mentioned that God has left the building), which was why the angels got away with what they did, and only now has God gotten wind of what's going on and isn't too pleased, that's why He helped the boys and brought back Castiel.
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I don't recall last season's conversation where Zach said that. Was his implication that God didn't know or that God didn't care? I suppose the former makes sense when you consider the actions of the angels but then why would Cas have claimed that he resurrected Dean because God commanded it and has work for him? I guess I tend to think of God traditionally in the sense that he is omniscient. Perhaps choosing opportune times to get involved thus making me wonder why this moment was important but not, say, throwing Sam into a plane before he let Lucifer free.
Maybe God just likes a dramatic story. 
Or maybe it's Michael that Castiel was representing? Michael saved Sam and Dean knowing he needed the latter as a vessel and sent Cas to stop Zach cause he needs Dean to truly volunteer rather than be forced into agreeing.
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| amberlita wrote: | I don't recall last season's conversation where Zach said that. Was his implication that God didn't know or that God didn't care? I suppose the former makes sense when you consider the actions of the angels but then why would Cas have claimed that he resurrected Dean because God commanded it and has work for him? I guess I tend to think of God traditionally in the sense that he is omniscient. Perhaps choosing opportune times to get involved thus making me wonder why this moment was important but not, say, throwing Sam into a plane before he let Lucifer free.
Maybe God just likes a dramatic story.
Or maybe it's Michael that Castiel was representing? Michael saved Sam and Dean knowing he needed the latter as a vessel and sent Cas to stop Zach cause he needs Dean to truly volunteer rather than be forced into agreeing. |
| Quote: | | So what did Zachariah’s words, “God has left the building” mean? “God, in the mythology of our show, God has gone missing,” Kripke answered with his normal wicked enthusiasm when talking about Supernatural. “God is missing, he’s not in Heaven. There is a bureaucracy of angels who don’t necessarily have the most benevolent intents, who are running things in his absence, and that’s sort of why Zachariah and his ilk have jump-started the apocalypse. I think they just got impatient and there was no one telling them not to.” |
http://blogcritics.org/vide...on-five-premiere/
Some of the details of last season are a little sketchy to me, but I thought Cas said God commanded him as a way to convince Dean to do what he wanted, so Cas was essentially lying. Cas resurrected Dean because Zach (believing Zach was answering to God) and the other angels, wanted it, but that was before Cas realized what the angels were really up to.
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Yeah, Zach said that in the Green Room when Dean asked where God was in the angels plans to let the apocalypse start.
Oh, I missed that next cartoon line!
Not sure I can look forward to the Lucifer-Sam v Michael-Dean idea, though.
You know I'm only seeing things to strengthen my theory.
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ah. okay, thanks for the refresher. that's ringing a bell now. i DVR'd all of last season's episodes intended to rewatch them before this season started but then the premiere came up on me so fast. i didn't even realize it was starting until Monday!
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| Rico wrote: | | It’s Apocalypse Now! |
Potential thread subtitle, Rico?  If I remember, you were first to suggest last season's.
I also like the idea of picking up on something that references hell. I can see going with We don't have a snowball's chance.
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I'll have to watch again to catch exact wordings....
What did Dean tell Zach? Something like Go on. Kill us already.
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What was Castiel's demand of Zachariah?
Put these boys back together
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